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  Jehovah's Witnesses ARE Christians, why do so many ex JW's deny this?

  by nicolaou in

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  jehovah's witnesses accept jesus as christ, the son of god.

  they try, in their own way, to live by his teachings and imitate him.

  they pray, read the bible and meet together regularly for worship.. i won't minimise any of the harm and damage they cause but for the life of me, i can't see how anyone can credibly deny that they are christians.. why do so many former jws have a problem with this?

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  An interesting debate, but one IMHO will never lead to a conclusion.

  I was brought up in a fundie evangelical sect (PB) which thought that the vast majority of believers outside the sect were not 'real' xians. That included RCs, CofE, etc. etc. And those were only the ones they thought they knew anything about. Orthodox, Ebionites, Marcionites, and other (to them) unknowns must have been heretics.

  I am a keen but amateur student of the history of the early Jesus followers. Even my shallow reading shows just how diverse the early beliefs were. (This is why the claims of WT and other sects to be following the 'true earliest beliefs' are untenable after even basic research).

  I like Bart Ehrman's work and find it thought-provoking. This is his view on 'what is a Christian':
  

  " I think anyone who wants to call themselves Christian ought at the very least to (1) believe there is some kind of God in the world (a superior divine being of some kind) and (2) think that Jesus somehow reveals that God or makes access to that God possible or … or anything else that makes Jesus important in relationship to that God."
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  JW Comedy By An Ex-JW

  by Joe Grundy in

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  deborah frances white 30 min radio show 14 oct.. highly recommended.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07x6mf3.

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  Deborah Frances White 30 min radio show 14 Oct.
  

  Highly recommended.

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07x6mf3
  
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  Probably Not The Most Effective Anti-JW Protest ...

  by Joe Grundy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  newspaper headline:.

  "primary school teacher grabbed jehovah's witness by throat while celebrating end of term in swansea".

  link here:.

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  "She started being abusive about a young women [her sister-in-law] who attended the hall. I can't repeat the exact words but it was in essence that she [her sister-in-law] was sucking penises, in a vulgar manner."

  Not the sort of thing you read every day.

  This story seems to have it all: drunkenness, assault, sucking penises and paedo allegations.
  
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  Probably Not The Most Effective Anti-JW Protest ...

  by Joe Grundy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  newspaper headline:.

  "primary school teacher grabbed jehovah's witness by throat while celebrating end of term in swansea".

  link here:.

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  Newspaper headline:
  

  "Primary school teacher grabbed Jehovah's Witness by throat while celebrating end of term in Swansea"

  
  

  Link here:

  
  

  http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/primary-school-teacher-assaulted-jehovah-s-witnes-while-out-celebrating-the-end-of-term-in-swansea/story-29738460-detail/story.html
  
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  So my husband got a letter

  by Lost his mind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, he received a letter that i am wondering if it is one of those open letters that are out there to denote time given.

  it starts out with the name of the person sending it, then goes into the spiel...do you know our god's name?

  when i was shown what it is, i kind of got upset.

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  "Wasn't he called 'El' (pronounced Ale) before Yahweh?"

  Yes, of course. That's why JWs and many others call their buildings 'Bethel' = The House of God.
  
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  Ex-Jehovah's Witness Deborah Frances-White on door knocking with Michael Jackson and ditching the 'cult'

  by jwleaks in

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  2. friends

  deborah frances-white.

  always a laugh and a blast from my past life on the gold coast.. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/ex-jehovahs-witness-deborah-frances-white-on-door-knocking-with/.

  deborah frances-white is a comedian and writer.

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  An excellent programme, utterly believable. I think it may have been a repeat. Oral and anal sex were mentioned, which is not common for a BBC R4 morning programme. Recommended.
  
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  The 1914 doctrine: How long it will last?

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  one hundred years have passed and the society still supports this lie, which of course, is the basis of their other lies, like that of the unfaithful and not discreet slave appointed in 1919. however, i wonder, what will happen after 50 years, when the overlapped generation will pass?.

  and if you want, what will happen with this religion in 2100?, could it survive with the same lie??

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  I never was a JW, but I have a view about this.

  'Distance lends enchantment'.

  Paul had a vision, which led him to his view of Xianity, which became orthodox. Mohammed had his vision, which became orthodox. Joseph Smith propounded his visions, which became orthodox mormonism. Millerites had their view, Russell had his view, etc. etc. which disappeared back into the mists of time. They were either accepted or forgotten.

  '1914' is, I think, (perhaps consciously by the GB) being forgotten and disappearing into the mists of time. How often is Russell referred to now in JW writings?

  It will pass, no doubt, and modern JW writers will consign it to (uncomfortable) history. Those raking it up will be accused of apostacy.
  
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  If anyone claimed that god speaks to them personally.....

  by jambon1 in

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  2. friends

  they'd be viewed as completely mentally ill and laughed at.. so, how do the governing body get away with it?.

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  Re. the OP.

  Many of the world's religions are based on people claiming that their god appeared/spoke to them. Judaism, Xianity (Paul), Islam, Mormons (Smith) and JWs (Russell) and others.

  'Distance lends enchantment' - or, in other words, leave it long enough and the passage of time will blunt, obscure or forgive the obvious (to our modern minds) craziness.

  Ask yourself this - if Joseph Smith or Charles Taze Russell was around today and spouting their nonsense how successful would they be?

  (Yes, I know you could cite Hubbard and Scientology but there will always be some crazies off the scale).
  
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  Off On A Trip - But Little Enthusiam

  by Joe Grundy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  never was a jw, but been here a long time.. off on a trip in a week or so, uk to andorra to stay with a friend for 10 days or so (beautiful place) then a week or so wending through france back home.. did the same trip the last couple of years -it was wonderful.

  met some lovely people, including an ex-polce woman over coffees and calvados after dinner.. but ... i don't feel so enthusiastic about this trip.

  i'll visit the cathar sites and other places.. maybe- just maybe - i've come to the conclusion that these trips are not as much fun if you don't have a companion to share it with..

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  dubstepped:

  Thanks. The way I look at it, I'm going over anyway, travelling on my own and I have three spare seats which are unoccupied.

  Maybe someone fancies/needs a trip - and because I'm travelling from West Wales I can pick up/drop anywhere along that corridor in UK, and drop off/pick almost anywhere in France (I'll be going over into Belgium for a tobacco shop) and because my time is my own I'm very flexible - it just seems to me the right thing to do to offer the spare seats to anyone interested.

  We shall see.
  
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  Off On A Trip - But Little Enthusiam

  by Joe Grundy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  never was a jw, but been here a long time.. off on a trip in a week or so, uk to andorra to stay with a friend for 10 days or so (beautiful place) then a week or so wending through france back home.. did the same trip the last couple of years -it was wonderful.

  met some lovely people, including an ex-polce woman over coffees and calvados after dinner.. but ... i don't feel so enthusiastic about this trip.

  i'll visit the cathar sites and other places.. maybe- just maybe - i've come to the conclusion that these trips are not as much fun if you don't have a companion to share it with..

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  JWdaughter:

  I love 'trundling through' the Cathar region - Albi and environs. I'll do my best with photos (but am not so good with this) .